tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post2438197624805767636..comments2022-03-24T16:24:00.842-05:00Comments on Carmina Catulli: Week 4: Specialty WordsBob Patrickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08291436751199050107noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-30859278683783607942007-03-28T08:14:00.000-05:002007-03-28T08:14:00.000-05:00Throughout this selection of poems Catullus does i...Throughout this selection of poems Catullus does indeed use specialty words."Basia" (kisses) is a word he continously uses throughtout poems 5 & 7. He uses this to emphasize the frequency of his feelings towards her. Some may call this exaggeration but i believe its a method he commonly uses to show his feelings for her, in this case by asking for countless kisses. Other words he uses are "Lesbiajimihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05342194582977393596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-7113478782015859532007-02-13T18:00:00.000-05:002007-02-13T18:00:00.000-05:00Catullus uses many "specialty words" throughout hi...Catullus uses many "specialty words" throughout his poems, but they may not necessarily continue from one poem to the next; so one poem may use one word over and over but that same word may not be repeated or even exist at all in another poem. Some of Catullus' specialty words include formosa and basia (in carmen 86), otio (in carmen 51), and deinde/ multa (in carmen 5). Each of these words has swmslwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09656245579722011674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-69601109394549827882007-02-13T17:59:00.001-05:002007-02-13T17:59:00.001-05:00Catullus uses many "specialty words" throughout hi...Catullus uses many "specialty words" throughout his poems, but they may not necessarily continue from one poem to the next; so one poem may use one word over and over but that same word may not be repeated or even exist at all in another poem. Some of Catullus' specialty words include formosa and basia (in carmen 86), otio (in carmen 51), and deinde/ multa (in carmen 5). Each of these words has swmslwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09656245579722011674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-52675448490768143452007-02-13T17:59:00.000-05:002007-02-13T17:59:00.000-05:00Catullus uses many "specialty words" throughout hi...Catullus uses many "specialty words" throughout his poems, but they may not necessarily continue from one poem to the next; so one poem may use one word over and over but that same word may not be repeated or even exist at all in another poem. Some of Catullus' specialty words include formosa and basia (in carmen 86), otio (in carmen 51), and deinde/ multa (in carmen 5). Each of these words has swmslwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09656245579722011674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-43455495789436738802007-02-12T23:21:00.000-05:002007-02-12T23:21:00.000-05:00Catullus obviously uses Lesbia very much. He also ...Catullus obviously uses Lesbia very much. He also uses basia a half-dozen times in one poem. He also uses words that relate to nighttime. This might be because he could only meet her at night. In every poem he uses a word that relates to love for the obvious reason that he loves Lesbia.Will Ravonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06253476857203784666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-37315801820020115142007-02-05T19:04:00.000-05:002007-02-05T19:04:00.000-05:00Catullus uses words such as "nox", "basia", words ...Catullus uses words such as "nox", "basia", words describing beauty (pulcherrima, bella) a lot during his poems. If these words were deleted, the poems would make little sense, unless replaced with other words similar in meaning. The words enable him to talk about his love for Lesbia, because they describe her (pulcherrima) / things he would like to give to Lesbia (basia). <br /><br />He also Nathan W. Posthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03650306379238283153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-75398655234199364712007-02-05T19:03:00.000-05:002007-02-05T19:03:00.000-05:00In Catullus' poems that we have read under the the...In Catullus' poems that we have read under the theme "Catullus Lesbiam Amat" we have seen many "speciality words". These words are those that he repeats often that helps give a poem a certain focus. In Carmen 51, Catullus uses the last lines to focus on "otium" or "leisure". He repeats it so that you can see how his time troubles him, as he continues to always be thinking about Lesbia. In 82https://www.blogger.com/profile/06796483059545323677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-46256950416742991122007-01-30T22:08:00.000-05:002007-01-30T22:08:00.000-05:00From my analysis of the poems i think that "venust...From my analysis of the poems i think that "venustas" and "formosa" are two important specialty words. These two words help describe Catullus' love by saying what others are ( formosa) and what Lesbia has (venustas). The others just being beautiful, to many, while Lesbia has sex appeal.ARP Rockerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07894618212427558948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-14780956020394487802007-01-30T19:00:00.000-05:002007-01-30T19:00:00.000-05:00Catullus centers his poems around the whole concep...Catullus centers his poems around the whole concept of passion and love. These themes are underlined by using certain words that highlight just how much Catullus cares for Lesbia and life itself. To express his adoration for Lesbia, Catullus describes her as "venustas." Nowadays, to call a girl "beautiful" is extremely meaningful and sincere, as was "venustas" back then. Not every woman has true In_other_wordshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740232734440023374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-47556143577499189212007-01-29T22:09:00.000-05:002007-01-29T22:09:00.000-05:00Catullus uses many choice words to reveal to us hi...Catullus uses many choice words to reveal to us his passion for Lesbia and to set the romantic mood his "Catullus Lesbiam Amat" poems entice. Words like basia, dien and diende, omnis, and nec.<br />Basia, meaning kiss or kisses, is used <b>many</b> times in 51 and 7, showing us that he obviously likes Lesbia's kisses, and he likes a lot of them. We see just how many he wants when he mentions Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02710783839128497046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-46486083251970438312007-01-29T22:05:00.000-05:002007-01-29T22:05:00.000-05:00In Catullus 51, the specialty words are "ille", us...In Catullus 51, the specialty words are "ille", used twice in the first 2 lines, and otium, which is a polyptoton used in the last three lines. Catullus uses the these specialty words to emphasize the jealousy he feels towards the man (ille) who gets to spend time with Lesbia when he doesn't and to express how he is tormented by his love for Lesbia when he devotes to much time to leisure (otium).Eureka!https://www.blogger.com/profile/02067068284705638953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-1651494994392283972007-01-29T22:01:00.000-05:002007-01-29T22:01:00.000-05:00The main theme that we have learned in Catullus’s ...The main theme that we have learned in Catullus’s writing is “Catullus Lesbia Amat.” He shows this affection by repeatedly using the words “centum” (hundred) and “mille” to describe the number of kisses he wants to give Lesbia in Catullus 5. Without these words the poem wouldn’t show as much meaning as it does, and with these words it shows how much Catullus is in love with Lesbia. In Carmen 86, 5ABIbloodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17047432272968831644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-36661147656552318102007-01-29T21:56:00.000-05:002007-01-29T21:56:00.000-05:00Catullus is known as the master of words. In his p...Catullus is known as the master of words. In his poems, he uses literary devices to express his thoughts. In Catullus 5, he uses anaphora. He repeats "dein" to emphasize the number of kisses. In Catullus 51, he uses polyptoton which is using same word multiple times in different forms (otium, otio, otium). in Catullus 86, he uses the word, venustas. He says that Quintia may be beautiful to othershyung02https://www.blogger.com/profile/13400976865289722855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-73724365576631498152007-01-29T21:38:00.000-05:002007-01-29T21:38:00.000-05:00The specialty words play a major role in Catullus'...The specialty words play a major role in Catullus' work. Some, such as "basia," play a role in several poems, but most are unique to their own. Unique to Carmen 51 we have the central figure of "ille." "That man" is the object of Catullus' envy in multiple ways. Catullus wishes to be in the man's position so that he could be the object of Lesbia's affection- the very thought of her affection TIPviking8907https://www.blogger.com/profile/03874228062470552698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-91566017990211570682007-01-29T21:37:00.000-05:002007-01-29T21:37:00.000-05:00When comparing all six of these poems, there is no...When comparing all six of these poems, there is not a particular word or words that string all the poems together. However, there are references to certain feelings that Catullus feels given from the mood, and (loving, fearing, hortatory) verbs. For example, in Catullus 2, the pattern with “quicum, quem, cui” or “with whom, whom, for whom” accentuate the meaning that the ‘sparrow’ is all Jeep3https://www.blogger.com/profile/05221954224071001635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-62368954245381740332007-01-29T21:35:00.001-05:002007-01-29T21:35:00.001-05:00When comparing all six of these poems, there is no...When comparing all six of these poems, there is not a particular word or words that string all the poems together. However, there are references to certain feelings that Catullus feels given from the mood, and (loving, fearing, hortatory) verbs. For example, in Catullus 2, the pattern with “quicum, quem, cui” or “with whom, whom, for whom” accentuate the meaning that the ‘sparrow’ is all Jeep3https://www.blogger.com/profile/05221954224071001635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-18464416700899525912007-01-29T21:35:00.000-05:002007-01-29T21:35:00.000-05:00Authors often use the same words over and over aga...Authors often use the same words over and over again because they feel that these words best quantify the way they feel about a certain idea or subject or in this a person. Lesbia is obviously someone who was either close to Catullus or close to his heart. In his poetry Catullus uses words repeatedly like basia . Basia seems to have this type of mysterious quality to it and I think that srivatsanenatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00108319059770677455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-37951646532691574302007-01-29T21:33:00.000-05:002007-01-29T21:33:00.000-05:00This blog post is very interesting given my day to...This blog post is very interesting given my day today. I had a long discussion with my colleague Ms. Huie over whether Frost was speaking about anger and stoicism or alcohol and illicit drug use in his poem, "Fire and Ice." Later, in Stat, a newly discovered Shakespearean poem was hotly debated for its authenticity. Statisticians looked for a common word augmentation in the assumed piece and thenUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17432028116527501846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-54436826309479590712007-01-29T21:32:00.000-05:002007-01-29T21:32:00.000-05:00"Basia" is certainly one of Catullus' favorites, n..."Basia" is certainly one of Catullus' favorites, not only because he uses it fairly frequently, but even writes about it in quantity (hundreds and thousands of kisses), and also goes so far as to make up his own unusual versions of the word, such as "basiationes", or roughly, "kissifications". This example in odd word formation is a bit of insight into the playful little affections Catullus Kelsey2https://www.blogger.com/profile/04815588509113339084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-87962872356005466772007-01-29T21:27:00.000-05:002007-01-29T21:27:00.000-05:00Catullus has a broad vocabulary, especially when h...Catullus has a broad vocabulary, especially when he is trying to paint a specific picture. However, it's important to look at the words that appear in multiple poems. For example, Catullus always uses basia for kisses, as seen in Catullus 5 and 7. When describing beauty, he refers to venustas to mean true beauty (Catullus 86 line 3), rather than beauty as perceived by the masses. Catullus also Kirrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01509047214802954313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-38001545185658829732007-01-29T21:18:00.000-05:002007-01-29T21:18:00.000-05:00In the series of poems "Catullus Lesbiam Amat" the...In the series of poems "Catullus Lesbiam Amat" the poet uses many specialty words to emphasize his heated passion for Lesbia. Catullus' aching need for Lesbia is clear through the choice of words in which he makes his desires clear. His repition of the cartain words such as, "basia", "omnis", "nox", and "venustas". In multiple poems Catullus sets a romantic mood with his request of endless kisseshannah-is-coolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03978668172608347307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-18398593142842742302007-01-29T20:56:00.001-05:002007-01-29T20:56:00.001-05:00Catullus uses these “specialty words” to try to br...Catullus uses these “specialty words” to try to bring the reader into what feelings he is trying to conveyof the love he has for Lesbia. Many of Catullus’ “specialty words” are easily found because they are often a major part of each poem. Without these words (and sequences of words) I still believe that the poetry would be good, but it would not convey nearly as strong a message to the Latin I can't beleive magister is a Florida Gator!!!Thats whackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03254997200815980294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-58424734003200072272007-01-29T20:56:00.000-05:002007-01-29T20:56:00.000-05:00Because the theme of these six poems is indeed “Ca...Because the theme of these six poems is indeed “Catullus Lesbiam Amat,” the specialty words that Catullus uses are, amazingly, love words. The word Lesbia itself may be a specialty word; it is not his mistress’s true name, but is instead a pseudonym so that no one knows her true identity. This may add an element of secrecy to their relationship, and whenever she hears one of his poems, she Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-41999967613039709882007-01-29T20:52:00.000-05:002007-01-29T20:52:00.000-05:00In the Catullus Lesbiam Amat series of poems, the ...In the Catullus Lesbiam Amat series of poems, the specialty words seem to be ille, malus (and all that that entails), basia, and venustas. The first two speak of Catullus' jealousy and paranoia - jealousy over Clodia's other man and paranoia over all other men, particularly the old men who keep count of his social infractions. Basia and venustas certainly speak of love and sexiness - what has Ian2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05728786944480667901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-61272638205996811342007-01-29T20:51:00.000-05:002007-01-29T20:51:00.000-05:00After finishing the six poems with the theme of lo...After finishing the six poems with the theme of love and jealousy. In Catullus's poem 43 Catullus uses the specialty word "nec" as a way to use negatives about someone else to show how beautiful Lesbia is. The word is used six times throughout the 8 lines poem. Also in comparison to the word "nec" in poem 86 the word "nulla", which is used twice uses the same effect. In 86 he talks about what Youknowdishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10398481126065746692noreply@blogger.com