tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post812304517859793686..comments2022-03-24T16:24:00.842-05:00Comments on Carmina Catulli: Week 2: What is a life?Bob Patrickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08291436751199050107noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-57256147697612718022007-01-22T21:36:00.000-05:002007-01-22T21:36:00.000-05:00I think Catullus 51 is about getting the girl esse...I think Catullus 51 is about getting the girl essentially and basically coming to the harsh realization. better explained in the Rolling Stones hit "you can't always get what you want" i believe he comes to understand this. But life in 51 is of material things all which have concrete characteristics. things to be obtained and lost in the blink of an eye.. just as his love obsession. Carmen 5 is ajimihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05342194582977393596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-2622318543749559402007-01-19T16:53:00.000-05:002007-01-19T16:53:00.000-05:00In Carmen 51, Catullus alludes to life as a cycle ...In Carmen 51, Catullus alludes to life as a cycle of urges and want, he vividly describes his intense need for Lesbia's love. Then in Carmen 5 he describes life as a setting sun. He compares it to the rising and the setting of the sun, pointing out the inability for life to once again rise after it has set, unlike the consistancy of our stars. Catullus seems to emphasize the importance of living hannah-is-coolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03978668172608347307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-50858279386729302362007-01-18T12:46:00.000-05:002007-01-18T12:46:00.000-05:00life.. you live, you laugh, you love, you cry, you...life.. you live, you laugh, you love, you cry, you fail, and you learn form it all. Most think that life is always about doing what is right and/or what is proper. In the end what will you get out of that. Sometimes you just have to do what you want because it makes you happy. Even if it means breaking the rules a little. Catullus notices this and doesnt care. He knows that he wants Lesbia. From bri720hcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16374141443026498682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-84040498324676768372007-01-18T06:15:00.000-05:002007-01-18T06:15:00.000-05:00I personally believe that human life is a brief mo...I personally believe that human life is a brief moment in the history of the world and that our life is composed of a series of choices that have a daily impact on us and determine whether or not we take advantage of all that life has to offer. I think this is what Mary Oliver is trying to say; that life only comes once and briefly, so you need to make the best of what you have and enjoy it to jrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16438994013745555416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-65907854561470182652007-01-17T23:19:00.000-05:002007-01-17T23:19:00.000-05:00In Carmen 51 Catullus describes how his life is a ...In Carmen 51 Catullus describes how his life is a life of want. And also that his time of leisure and want of what he can't have is his trouble. In Carmen 5 Catullus focuses on living in the moment and not caring what others think about it. He describes how we should live this life to the fullest. According to Mary Oliver, life should be questioned and enjoyed. That maybe you might not have 82https://www.blogger.com/profile/06796483059545323677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-30179782321798386022007-01-17T22:11:00.000-05:002007-01-17T22:11:00.000-05:00The Mary Oliver poem seems to agree with Catullus ...The Mary Oliver poem seems to agree with Catullus 5, in that they both say how life is too short and we all must die too soon. Catullus 51 tells us that idleness will destroy us and in Catullus 5 he tells us to live and love, so they both say the same thing in a way, but differently. The Oliver poem asks questions though. Who made this world, and what should we do in it? So Catullus' poems could Nathan W. Posthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03650306379238283153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-82013548338805642902007-01-17T21:41:00.000-05:002007-01-17T21:41:00.000-05:00In Catullus 51, Catullus speaks of how lucky anoth...In Catullus 51, Catullus speaks of how lucky another man is to be able to spend time with Lesbia, Catullus' love. I think that when Catullus is not with Lesbia he feels dead inside. He is not alive unless he's with his love. In Catullus 5, life is living for the moment, loving and being loved. In the poem by Mary Oliver, she says that loife is short and fleeting and should be spent loving, Eureka!https://www.blogger.com/profile/02067068284705638953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-37373822050412862642007-01-17T20:45:00.000-05:002007-01-17T20:45:00.000-05:00Life is simply made up of the elements of beauty, ...Life is simply made up of the elements of beauty, passion, feeling, and an overall wonder. In Catullus 51, Catullus writes of his desire for Lesbia, in which he cannot grasp onto the one thing in life he truly desires. In Carmen 5, the message of "carpe diem" is expressed in the way of intertwining passion with the feeling that life, indeed, is too short. Oliver's description of life presents to In_other_wordshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03740232734440023374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-12567506576770789972007-01-17T19:33:00.000-05:002007-01-17T19:33:00.000-05:00Carmen 51 describes life as something that is full...Carmen 51 describes life as something that is full of passion and desire. In Catullus’s case, he passionately desires a woman named Lesbia. Catullus lets himself create an infatuation for Lesbia that he cannot shake off. In doing this, Catullus shows that some things life should be fought for, and you should not give up on something that you really desire. In Carmen 5, Catullus has obtained 5ABIbloodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17047432272968831644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-66589419480898199532007-01-17T18:49:00.000-05:002007-01-17T18:49:00.000-05:00Carmen 51 describes Catullus as a love struck man ...Carmen 51 describes Catullus as a love struck man that can not even function because he struck by Lesbia’s beauty. Her laughter robs him of his feelings, when Catullus looks at here he can not speak, and fire flows through his body. As love struck as he is he still is indecisive when he is talking to him self about being idle with the whole situation. To Catullus according to Carmen 51 life is I can't beleive magister is a Florida Gator!!!Thats whackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03254997200815980294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-91764173730176704422007-01-17T17:04:00.000-05:002007-01-17T17:04:00.000-05:00All of the poems have a degree of physical sense o...All of the poems have a degree of physical sense or tangibility to them. Catullus 51 is very vivid in the descriptions of his feelings upon seeing Lesbia, such as the darkness that covers his eyes and the liquid fire that consumes his body. Catullus 5 is focused on the physical sensation of kissing the woman he loves - he just wouldn't get enough of her, even if they shared hundreds and thousandsKelsey2https://www.blogger.com/profile/04815588509113339084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-7780353875847177872007-01-17T16:37:00.000-05:002007-01-17T16:37:00.000-05:00I think that in Carmen 51, Catullus describes life...I think that in Carmen 51, Catullus describes life as full of want. Catullus tells us of how he lusts for Lesbia, but how he will never have her. In the end he explains that leisure, or idleness, troubles us all; that leisure is a waste of time and that life should be spent doing better things than lusting over something that cannot be had. In Carmen 5, Catullus describes how life is short andFrankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02215772181793553921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-2747790866792597272007-01-17T16:32:00.000-05:002007-01-17T16:32:00.000-05:00In Carmen 51, Catullus expresses life as an emotio...In Carmen 51, Catullus expresses life as an emotional rollercoaster, advancing up and down through toils and dilemmas of living. Throughout Carmen 5, Catullus grasps the concept of life being brief, and the want and need to take risks and exploit every breath you're given to breath. <br /><br />Mary Oliver touches base on both messages in Carmen 51 and 5. She studies the movement of a grasshoppershockahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12440534474102079897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-59475349128036658202007-01-17T16:07:00.000-05:002007-01-17T16:07:00.000-05:00According to the Catullus of 51, life is full of l...According to the Catullus of 51, life is full of lust and desire. Catullus saw Lesbia and fell in “love” with her and wanted her. In Carmen 5, he emphasizes the idea that life is short and should be lived to the fullest, so he wants to be with Lesbia regardless of what others may say. According to Mary Oliver, one only has a single precious life that he or she should use to the fullest. She says chmathewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01209304250211442048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-16916581079520105062007-01-16T22:00:00.000-05:002007-01-16T22:00:00.000-05:00Catullus describes in Carmen 51 his love, and more...Catullus describes in Carmen 51 his love, and more importantly, his lust, for Lesbia. The sight of Lesbia drives him crazy, has drastic effects on him, but he loves every minute of it. Life is about enjoying the moments that drive you insane; those moments are what make life interesting. This can still be seen today; people are addicted to reality television shows, which are full of drama. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-82978671091262869442007-01-16T21:50:00.000-05:002007-01-16T21:50:00.000-05:00Mary Oliver does what many poets have done, and ex...Mary Oliver does what many poets have done, and explained life in terms of the small things. She asks what should she do besides watch the simple animals and insects. We as humans have created an incredibly complex society and stretched the meaning of life to its maximum. But even after all of this, life hasn't really changed. Everyone is still born, lives, and then inevitably dies. How you spendKirrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01509047214802954313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-91890849031922876532007-01-16T21:28:00.000-05:002007-01-16T21:28:00.000-05:00I think both Carmen 51 and 5 say life is about lus...I think both Carmen 51 and 5 say life is about lust and love (especially involving women). Although, they also say life is short. Mary Oliver also says that life is short, but she also says that you should live life to the fullest. I think each person has one thing they are truly meant to do and that they should spend their life doing that one thing. Of course it may take a large portion of your Will Ravonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06253476857203784666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-72526328561263793182007-01-16T21:19:00.002-05:002007-01-16T21:19:00.002-05:00In Carmen 51 Catullus discusses life as wanting an...In Carmen 51 Catullus discusses life as wanting and needing. He talks about how he loves and want something he can't have. Life is always like that though. You want many things in which you can not obtain. Catullus discusses how it ruins great men. In Carmen 5 Catullus discusses how life is short and brief and we can die at any time so why not live it the way we want it? He's saying forget the tram192https://www.blogger.com/profile/08073272948001696530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-1057232569984702452007-01-16T21:19:00.001-05:002007-01-16T21:19:00.001-05:00I think both Carmen 51 and 5 say life is about lus...I think both Carmen 51 and 5 say life is about lust and love (especially involving women). Although, they also say life is short. Mary Oliver also says that life is short, but she also says that you should live life to the fullest. I think each person has one thing they are truly meant to do and that they should spend their life doing that one thing. Of course it may take a large portion of your Will Ravonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06253476857203784666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-68554913903048323302007-01-16T21:19:00.000-05:002007-01-16T21:19:00.000-05:00In Catullus' Carmen 51, he describes life in terms...In Catullus' Carmen 51, he describes life in terms of Lesbia. He goes on and on about his lustfull feelings toward her and the urges and rushes she elicits. It is as if she <i>is</i> his life. He apparently spends much of his time dwelling on her attributes and qualities and how to get more of them pointed in his direction.<br />In Catullus' Carmen 5, life is all about love. This is more of Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02710783839128497046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-55492434693874000022007-01-16T21:17:00.001-05:002007-01-16T21:17:00.001-05:00In Carmen 51 Catullus discusses life as wanting an...In Carmen 51 Catullus discusses life as wanting and needing. He talks about how he loves and want something he can't have. Life is always like that though. You want many things in which you can not obtain. Catullus discusses how it ruins great men. In Carmen 5 Catullus discusses how life is short and brief and we can die at any time so why not live it the way we want it? He's saying forget the tram192https://www.blogger.com/profile/08073272948001696530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-88189729513505527692007-01-16T21:14:00.000-05:002007-01-16T21:14:00.000-05:00In Carmen 51 Catullus is basically saying that he ...In Carmen 51 Catullus is basically saying that he wants to be that man that he envies so much. He wants to listen to Lesbia talk and laugh. In Carmen 5 I think that all he wants to do is kiss her- forever. I think. In the poem by the lady in the field she wants to explore life and know everything and do everything before her life ends. This is where I think that the key part of life is in death. srivatsanenatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00108319059770677455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-87369564395765637792007-01-16T21:13:00.000-05:002007-01-16T21:13:00.000-05:00I think both Carmen 51 and 5 say life is about lus...I think both Carmen 51 and 5 say life is about lust and love (especially involving women). Although, they also say life is short. Mary Oliver also says that life is short, but she also says that you should live life to the fullest. I think each person has one thing they are truly meant to do and that they should spend their life doing that one thing. Of course it may take a large portion of your Will Ravonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06253476857203784666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-83759273330611292312007-01-16T20:58:00.000-05:002007-01-16T20:58:00.000-05:00The concept of life in Catullus 51 is that life is...The concept of life in Catullus 51 is that life is consisted of only love and that the inability to express your love for that person is what fuels your passion for that person but it can also lead to your demise because you were too late. From the last paragraph of Catullus 51, one can conclude that idleness is a double sword. It increases your desire for a certain thing (in this case Lesbia) Pinkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13224713534410327031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8494764596446411627.post-61246480476319008262007-01-16T20:55:00.000-05:002007-01-16T20:55:00.000-05:00In Carmen 51, I think that Catullus is wondering w...In Carmen 51, I think that Catullus is wondering what a life would be like if a man loved a woman whom he knows he cannot have/would be difficult to ever touch. And so he sits in wonder at this woman he loves--wondering whether to waste his life away "pleasuring" in his fantasies or to grab life by its horns of doubt and live to the inevitable death that takes him at the end, which is what CarmenJeep2https://www.blogger.com/profile/09655188416510748512noreply@blogger.com